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More questions about the Trinity: 1) John 14:20 "I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you." 2) When Jesus was in the cross and he said, " My God , my God why hast thou forsaken me." After further studies I have a couple more questions. 1) Matthew 26:39 "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." If Jesus is God why would he pray to God to lift this burden? 2) If Jesus is God, then why did he tell the disciples that he did not know the date of his return, only the Father knows? If Jesus is God shouldn't he know the time that he returns?
Your first question: 1) John 14:20 "I am in the Father, and ye in me, and I in you."John 14:10,11 says, Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Jesus is in the Father, and the Father is in Him. The truth is clearly spoken there, and nothing can be added to it. A person either believes God by faith, or he rejects what God has said. John 14:20-23 says, At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. We are in Christ when we get saved, and Christ and the Father come and dwell in us. The truth is clearly given. Nothing more can be added to it. A person either believes what God has said, or a person rejects what God has said. Your second question: 2) When Jesus was in the cross and he said, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me." Matthew 27:45,46 says, Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? When Jesus took upon Himself the sin of the world, the Father had to allow His wrath to come against His own Son. Isaiah 53:6 says, All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:10-12 says, Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. You third question: 1) Matthew 26:39 "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." If Jesus is God why would he pray to God to lift this burden? Matthew 26:31-46 says, Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee. Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended. Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples. Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me. Jesus life was lived to be an example to us. He was baptized, even though John the Baptist at first did not want to baptize Him. Why did He do it? To fulfill all righteousness. I Peter 2:19-24 says, For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE, THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. The reason that Jesus pled with the Father, is that Jesus did not enjoy taking our sin upon Himself. He is totally holy, and sin is absolutely vile and disgusting and repulsive to Him. His holiness would demand that He would be repulsed at the thought of having to bear sin in Himself. Why did He go through with it? Out of love for us, that we might be saved. Your fourth question: 2) If Jesus is God, then why did he tell the disciples that he did not know the date of his return, only the Father knows? If Jesus is God shouldn't he know the time that he returns? I am enclosing a previous question and answer to cover that. PREVIOUS QUESTION AND ANSWER Question: If Jesus is God, then why doesn't He know the time when He is going to return? My question is about the trinity. If the trinity is true then that means they we have to believe that God the Father God the son and God the holy sprit are all one and equal with each other. Well if that is the case then how can you explain Matthew 24 verse 36 where God the son Jesus can't tell the disciples when the Great tribulation is going to come, because the only one that knows that is God the Father so how can they be all one and equal with each other when God the Father knows that and God the Son does not know. Answer: We must first look at the clear facts. I John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, THE FATHER, THE WORD, and THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE." John 14:6-9 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and FROM HENCEFORTH YE KNOW HIM, AND HAVE SEEN HIM. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" John 10:30-33 says, "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, BEING A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD." Because we may not fully understand all of the details of a truth, does not change the facts. I do not understand how a microwave oven, a cellular phone, and a computer work, but I am not foolish enough to deny that they exist or work. Much more so, I accept that what God says is true, whether I fully understand it or not. Hebrews 11:6 says, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." The passage you brought up, Matthew 24:29-36, says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, BUT MY FATHER ONLY." It is in Mark 13:32-37 that it mentions that the Son does not know the time. "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For THE SON OF MAN is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Notice that this passage emphasizes the SON OF MAN. The "son of man" is a phrase that was used 108 times in the Old Testament, of which Isaiah 51:12 is one: "I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of THE SON OF MAN which shall be made as grass." As you can see, it emphasizes the earthly, the fleshly, and the temporary. The phrase "son of man" is used 88 times in the New Testament. In the New Testament, we find that many people stumbled over Jesus humanity, and did not recognize His deity (that He is God). Matthew 9:1-6 is a good example. "And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? But that ye may know that THE SON OF MAN hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house." This "Son of Man" was not just a man, but was God in the flesh. John 1:14 says, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." The Trinity is a very clear truth taught in the Scripture, but it is just hard to fully understand from the human realm. It simply must be believed by faith. Jesus was upon earth as God in the flesh. Matthew 1:23 says, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." Hebrews 2:14-17 says, "Forasmuch then as the children are PARTAKERS OF FLESH AND BLOOD, HE ALSO HIMSELF LIKEWISE TOOK PART OF THE SAME; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily HE TOOK NOT ON HIM THE NATURE OF ANGELS; BUT HE TOOK ON HIM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM. Wherefore in all things it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." We are living in a realm of very limited human knowledge. Yes, God has given unto us all of the information that we need to live this life according to His perfect will. II Timothy 3:16,17 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." But those verses do not say that God has given us a fullness of knowledge about everything. Only God knows everything. Deuteronomy 29:29 says, "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." We do not fully understand this realm (the physical), let alone the realm which we cannot see (the spiritual). Scientists are still speculating on what is out in space, and the rules that govern how things act out there. A company recently mapped the gene, even though they admit that they have to learn how to use the map now! If we have not even begun to master the physical universe, how can we understand the rules that govern the spiritual realm which we cannot even see? John 3:9-13 says, "Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. IF I HAVE TOLD YOU EARTHLY THINGS, AND YE BELIEVE NOT, HOW SHALL YE BELIEVE, IF I TELL YOU OF HEAVENLY THINGS? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Jesus was saying that He had come down from heaven, and yet was in heaven at that very moment! Jesus was giving Nicodemus an EARTHLY fact ye must be born again. That seemed to be too much for him to understand. Then how would he ever understand a HEAVENLY fact that Jesus was ON EARTH and IN HEAVEN at the same time? Notice the difference in the terms in the following passage. Matthew 26:62-66 says, "And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou TELL US WHETHER THOU BE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see THE SON OF MAN sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death." In Jesus reply, He switched the phrase "Son of God" to "Son of Man." Jesus was trying to point out something to the high priest, that he was going to one day see THE SON OF MAN come in the clouds; in other words, "This same Jesus." Acts 1:6-11 says, "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know THE TIMES OR THE SEASONS, WHICH THE FATHER HATH PUT IN HIS OWN POWER. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven." Notice how the matter is brought up again about "times" and "seasons." Those have been left in the Fathers power. Philippians 2:5-8 summarizes this whole matter, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him THE FORM OF A SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, HE HUMBLED HIMSELF, AND BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, even the death of the cross." Jesus, the Son of God, was sent to this earth with a mission that mission was salvation. John 3:16-18 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Although equal with God, Jesus, in His role as Son of Man, fulfilled it perfectly as an obedient, humble Son and servant. In that role, the decision-making was perfectly and rightly left with the Father. Let us NOT stumble over His obedience, and thus foolishly deny He is God Almighty. END PREVIOUS QUESTION AND ANSWER How can we accept the fact of the Trinity? Because God said it in His Word. We either believe Him, or we reject what He has so clearly said. Do you have to fully understand everything, before you believe that it is true? Do you fully understand how a microwave oven works? Do you believe that they work, and possibly use one yourself? Do you fully understand how a computer works? Does that stop you from using one? Do you fully understand the principle of lift in getting an airplane off the ground, and the principles that govern jet engines? Have you ever flown in an airplane? Do you fully understand the internal combustion engine, the automatic transmission, and the advantages of the radial tire over the bias ply tire? Do you ever drive using these very devices? The fact is that you do a multitude of things every day that you do not fully understand. Over the years, I have heard many people argue against the Trinity. Why? Because they cannot fully understand how such a thing can be. The problem is not that the Bible is unclear about the subject. The problem is that they just cannot figure out how such a thing can be possible. Their real problem is unbelief. God said it, so it is true. Our puny minds do not understand a lot of things in this world, let alone the principles that govern the unseen realm. Read your Bible, and the truth of the Trinity will be very clear to you. Romans 10:17 says, So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Jesus, God Almighty in the flesh, loves you, and died on the cross to bear your sin. He arose victorious from the grave the third day, and now wants to be your Savior. Romans 10:9,10 says, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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